What is the outcome on this deal. Doing a title search shows a prior lein that may have never been cleared but that lein holder wrote it off. I think this may have come up in your talks with him??? Did the lein ever get paid? IF not care to say why. The car was used a good faith to pay back a loan.

This whole thing just does not add up. To many questions, why did he leave with a car that was not paid for? Why would he have $13,000 to $14,000.00 on him drive that far only to be short $1,000.00 ????

What time did he get to your house to pick up the car???? Did you give him a set time Before 7 am after 6 pm???

Folded page none folded paper both equals a agreement to sell something and a agreed price. By law... Now selling a car and not provding a title means to some point you do still own the car but he does have a legal interest in it showing part ownership. What this means is... if the owner of the car takes it out on the road and kills someone with it guess what YOU are also liable for his actions. Why? you ask. Well the fact that you never went to your DMV and had the car signed over in the legal world to him. You may think signing it over to them or a bill of sale is good but it does not enter it into the DMV world.

I wonder why people think the cops are on one side or the other. What you are saying is that out of the 50,000 plus people in his home town the cops like and pic him. This is 2009 not 1930's Mayberry. The law is the law like it or not.

If you think you have full rights to the car drive down and call the state police... and repo your car. I can tell you this it's not going to happen. You signed a paper and gave him the car. Sorry but you also have made many bad statements about him and his bussiness when what you have is a civil case at best. Now when people do this and it cost people money the law has means of dealing with this as well. If he can show you cost him money because of your writen word you could end up owing him money.

I read so many of these reports on this site and wonder why people think that because they did not do the right thing they want someone to clean up the mess. Take ownership of your actions and stand up for what you feel is right. File a court case if your 100% sure you will win and get your $1,000.00 but be ready to provide a clear title.

People jump on here and say yeah he sold me a junk motor... did you check it out before you took it??? NO??? Why not. It's you hard earned money your handing over.

You know if he takes that Bill of Sale to GA they will give him a title if the vin number checks clear and no Lein on it. If it has an outstanding lein he will have to pay it off before the title will be issued.

I do not have a dog in this fight and how every it ends it ends but just because one person make the choice to stop posting I do not see that as guilty. I let the writen and spoken word make up my mind.

I do bring to the table over 20 years of investigation work with me and can tell everyone this.... this just does not add up.

Good point Robinhorn. My experience w/ buying used vehicles that were financed by the previous owner is this. Yeah the owner has received the title once he has paid off the note, BUT DID THE FINANCE SIGN-OFF ON THE LOAN????? That could be the lien that you are talking about. I have had this happen twice to me in the past 5 yrs. in buying 2 used vehicle's. So I had to go back to the person I purchased it from & have them take care of that which makes me have to wait at the most 2 weeks, counting the mail delivery. So if you have a lien on this title it should be stated right there on the title. In Virginia, it's getting so that a title doesn't mean spit w/out a Bill-Of-Sale, and any Lien(s) are listed on the front of the title, you can't miss it.
I thought that I saw WaynesWorld's name in the scammer column so I decided to check it out. He replied to a wanted add I have on here either last night or this morning. BUT, after reading all of the post's about this situation has left me confused.


" Have Trust In The Lord & Keep You're Eye On Everyone Else"
Kris

I HAVENT GONE ANYWHERE I AM RIGHT HERE EVERYDAY I HAVE READ EVERY POST PUT UP ON THIS MATTER I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND OWE NO ONE ANYTHING IF U WANT TO KNOW THE TRUE STORY OF ALL THIS JUST LET ME KNOW I WILL CONTACT U AND SHOW U THE MESSAGES I DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION OF GETTING INTO A PISSING CONTEST IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER SCREEN MOST OF THE STUFF I READ IS BULL ANYWAY GO BACK TO THE THREAD OF STUPID PEOPLE AND LOOK AT TOP SPORTSMANS VIDIEO AND THAT IS WHY I DONT RESPOND TO LIES AND HALFTRUTHS IF U WANT THE REAL STORY LET ME KNOW THANKS I HAVE READ AND AM FOLLING ROBIN HORNS ADVICE ON THIS MATTER THE PREVIOUS OWNER NEEDS TO GIVE UP THE TITLE TO SAVE US BOTH A LOT OF TROUBLE AND BELIEVE ME I HAVE SOLD CARS IN THE PAST AND STILL WISH TO THIS DAY I HADNT THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE HERE HE SOLD ME THE CAR AND HE EVEN TOLD ME HE DIDNT LIKE IT BUT WENT AHEAD AND SOLD IT

things dont sound right here if i was buying a car and didnt get title cause deal wasnt complete then i wouldnt drive away and on other hand i wouldnt let it leave till payed for my personal opinion is that pay 1000 to get title and both walk a way with life lesson dont leave till both sides are satisfied no title i would have walked away and damn sure would have made sure of price on this one here woulda brought first amount as insurance incase the other deal fell through on sellers part JMO

HERE IS WHAT EVERYONE KEEPS MISSING IN THIS DEAL I WAS NOT TOLD THERE WAS A TITLE TO CAR PAID THE MAN MONEY FOR CAR HE ASKED IF I WANTED A RECIEPT I SAID NO IT IS A DRAG CAR SO IT DIDNT MATTER SO LUCKILY HE WROTE ONE ANYWAY GAVE IT TO ME I LEFT WITH CAR WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT TITLE TILL 1 WEEK LATER THE 1000 HE TALKS ABOUT IS BLACKMAIL MONEY IF I WANT THE TITLE PAY MORE THAN AGREED PRICE THE LESSON HERE FOR ME IS THAT WHEN THEY SAY NO TITLE DRAG CAR ONLY TAKE THE TIME TO GO TO DMV AND DO TITLE SEARCH BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT I AM NOT MAD AT THIS PERSON I BOUGHT THE CAR FROM. I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR HIM I WAS AT PINKS ALL OUT LAST WEEK AT INDY AND HIS BEST FRIEND CAME UP TAKING PICTURES OF CAR AND ASKED IF IT WAS HIS OLD CAR I SAID YES AND I TOLD THE GUY ABOUT THE TITLE DEAL HE SAID THE SELLER NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ON MY END EVERYONE I KNOW KNOWS ABOUT THIS TILE SHOWING UP AFTER I PAID FOR CAR AND I HAVE OWNED THE CAR ALMOST A YEAR NOW AND THESE CARS I BUY AND SELL ARE AN INVESTMENT IT IS A BUSINESS TO ME I AM NOT IN LOVE WITH ANY OF THEM I BUY THEM RACE THEM FIX WHAT NEED FIXING AND RESALE THAT IS WHAT I DO SINCE THIS ALL STARTED I HAVE SOLD 5 OTHER CARS SOME HERE SOME NOT HERE MY POINT IS HE COULD HAVE JUST CALLED AND SAID I MADE A MISTAKE I WANT MY CAR BACK AND HE WOULD HAVE GOT IT BACK IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME LIKE I SAID IT IS BUSINESS NOT PERSONAL

Yep, I tend to agree with you guy's saying there is a piece or two missing here. Most people do not lay down thousands, then get a bill of sale, but no title?? Yet the car changes hands? weird...

Waynesworld: glad to see you make it.... almost 4 months later. What is up? You are just now chiming in after many posts & failed phone calls.... yet you seem way to cool with not having a title that is in someone elses name that you gave ALOT of money for... not to mention they are threating your ownership of the car!!! You say your not "emotional" & that it is an "investment"??? A disputed DRAG CAR w/ no title in someone elses name???? Not too good of an investment in my opinion dude. Maybe you otta define what "investment" means.... it's not that car I bet.

Firebird: You have been waiting & posting, threating w/ aid of cops, taking shots at wanyesworld evey chance you can. He has finnaly come on here & you guys are nowhere near fixing this mess. You hold the title in you & your wifes name... but no results, no repo, no money. Meanwhile, he is out racing the crap out of that car... seems he thinks he has paid in full & does not care.

I know one thing, when I get a bill of sale, hand cash over & take delivery of a car, IT IS DONE & I HAVE THE TITLE IN HAND. Otherwise, something major is wrong. I have to say that this whole thing is pretty stinky.

YEAH THIS ALMOST TAKES THE CAKE.
SOMETHING SMELLS FISHY

I have a story for you. It just happened to my neighbor. He purchased a really nice boat & trailer from a guy in the next state over. No title for boat or trailer, but the seller did write him a bill of sale. This was a year and a half ago.

Last month this guy shows up with a police escort. Told the police it was his boat. Neighbor showed the policeman his bill of sale, previous seller showed him the title, Seller left with the trailer and Boat.

I WOULD HAVE NEVER BELIEVED IT IF I HAD NOT SEEN IT MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My neighbor sunk a ton of money into the boat and its gone. He is in the process of suing the seller, but recently dfound out the seller sold the boat to someone off craigslist and my neighbors attorney has told him it will cost about 10 to 12 thousand dollars to fit the case and the boat is only worth 20,000.

I says no matter what hes out a ton of money.

Go figure.........

first of all rigsby there have been no phone calls and why should i respond to someone cussing and ranting and raving like a child the reason i am not emotional and no case has been filed by seller is he knows he is lying and i have the proof and there is know way in hell i will pay any other money for a car i have already paid for but what most of u are saying is if u bought a car in good faith was not told a title exsisted and a few days later the person says in there opinion u owe them another thousand dollars u would just pay it and say lesson learned well i am not that guy but you can bet that every police agency and district attorney in both states knows of this deal i have personally informed them and they have seen all the messages between the seller and i which most of u have not and would end this whole deal if u saw them and u are welcome to see these to help clear this up thanks all u have to do is ask i will give u my password u can read my messages he sent me from the start and the ones after i bought car let me know thanks

WOW, WHAT A MESS, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PARINOID ABOUT TITLE ISSUES & THIS JUST REMINDS ME WHY!! WHEN I SELL CARS I TAKE THE BUYER TO CURRENCY EXCHANGE WITH ME AND DO TITLE WORK RITE THERE TO GET TITLE OUT OF MY NAME, SAME WHEN I BUY I INSIST ON GOING AND HAVING TITLE WORK DONE WITH THE SELLER THERE.

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