BOWERS RACING ENGINES
08-13-2007, 02:11 PM
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Bret Bowers
Bret did send me an engine. It's missing the blower snout, drive assembly, crank trigger, spec sheet, and it has the wrong barrell valve on it. It hasn't been on a dyno and it's missing bolts. I have filed a police report / charges against Bret with the Fort Collins Police and I'm going to sue him personaly for what he owes me. Going out of business and Bankruptsy won't do him any good! This is a criminal act of fraud and I have all the documantation of what I was supposed to be buying. I ordered the engine in January and recieved it the last Friday in July. After I had sent him a registered letter and a copy of the police report I was filing. He put me together with too many lies too many times. Bret frequents the races in the Colorado area and it sounds like he has a nice list of pissed off folks out there. He made me look like a total ass and put me in a bind without the engine. It's best he was in Colorado and not local! Beware of this guy, he'll surface someware under a different name.
08-13-2007, 02:23 PM
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Well sprizefighter I really hate to hear your story on the engine (suppose to be engine) but I am damn proud of you for taking the fight to him..Put his ass in a crunch is the only way to get your money or some satisfaction..Money will not always satisfy people but when you can make a guy go to jail or pay you, then that is some.. Based on your post I guess his lawyers got some more work to do besides trying to shut us up, as if he could do it anyway....PLEASE keep us posted as your on the right track..GOOD LUCK
08-13-2007, 03:38 PM
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sprizefighter I feel for you I have never had one person tell me so many lies and I have known some sorry people in my life. I am so glad that you did get some parts. But before I did anything with them parts I would get someone to check it out just as if it was apart because you dont know what you have or if the parts even go together inside. I am so sorry for you man but maybe you can use some of the parts.
08-13-2007, 04:33 PM
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Wes is correct..Please save yourself a bunch of heartache and get some qualified engine man to go back thru your motor..it will be worth the extra money...MY gut is telling me that Bret Probably just thrown something together to get you half way off his back..
i went thru something simliar to this about 7 yrs ago..when i took off my valve covers and saw the valve springs shimmed up i was smart enough to have it torn down and gone back over..the reults were as follows..
wrongs size valves (length) had to purchase new valves and springs, 10 thousandth's PVC at full adjustment,rotating assemby was 2 oz off,(could not have been balanced)
wrist pins worn out,wrong length studs in bottom end. mains.. block was oringed and wire was out of place on two cylinders..which would have caused a head gasket to blow..
How was this list for SCREWED UP DEAL...and i am not making up one thing....if anything i left something out..
.My 'good engine" man that i had go back thru the motor said it might have started and idled but once i gassed it ,it would have grenaded...it cost me another $2700 to fix the mess..but would have cost me over 10k if i had fired it...
just thought i would share my experience with you,,so you may not feel soo bad.
and for the record i have always been pretty good at top end stuff..cam shaft up..since then if i have went with a new complete motor i will have the shortblock machined,balanced and i will do the rest...
My decision to do this was a REALIZATION THAT I COULD SCREW UP MY OWN STUFF FOR NOTHING,,SO WHY PAY SOMONE LIKE THE 1ST GUY TO DO IT FOR ME ?????.
i have been luckey so far not to screw up something to bad....just take time and ask plenty of questions along the way..
Good luck my friend my heart goes out to you and anyone else that has been had this way.
Brian
i went thru something simliar to this about 7 yrs ago..when i took off my valve covers and saw the valve springs shimmed up i was smart enough to have it torn down and gone back over..the reults were as follows..
wrongs size valves (length) had to purchase new valves and springs, 10 thousandth's PVC at full adjustment,rotating assemby was 2 oz off,(could not have been balanced)
wrist pins worn out,wrong length studs in bottom end. mains.. block was oringed and wire was out of place on two cylinders..which would have caused a head gasket to blow..
How was this list for SCREWED UP DEAL...and i am not making up one thing....if anything i left something out..
.My 'good engine" man that i had go back thru the motor said it might have started and idled but once i gassed it ,it would have grenaded...it cost me another $2700 to fix the mess..but would have cost me over 10k if i had fired it...
just thought i would share my experience with you,,so you may not feel soo bad.
and for the record i have always been pretty good at top end stuff..cam shaft up..since then if i have went with a new complete motor i will have the shortblock machined,balanced and i will do the rest...
My decision to do this was a REALIZATION THAT I COULD SCREW UP MY OWN STUFF FOR NOTHING,,SO WHY PAY SOMONE LIKE THE 1ST GUY TO DO IT FOR ME ?????.
i have been luckey so far not to screw up something to bad....just take time and ask plenty of questions along the way..
Good luck my friend my heart goes out to you and anyone else that has been had this way.
Brian
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08-15-2007, 12:22 PM
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I'll vouch that the line is disconnected. So much for the extra parts i paid for! Fortunately its only a distributor, flexplate and "correct" length push rods.
On a differnet note, the credit card we used to pay for the engine had a mysterious $710 charge to it from a dentist office in Fort Collins. This is odd cause I live in Colorado Springs CO and our dentist is in Monument CO. Wierd. May want to check those c/c statments.
So does anyone know of a qualified builder in Colorado (Colorado Springs or Denver) that would be willing to go thru the engine again?
On a differnet note, the credit card we used to pay for the engine had a mysterious $710 charge to it from a dentist office in Fort Collins. This is odd cause I live in Colorado Springs CO and our dentist is in Monument CO. Wierd. May want to check those c/c statments.
So does anyone know of a qualified builder in Colorado (Colorado Springs or Denver) that would be willing to go thru the engine again?
08-15-2007, 03:20 PM
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Well I hate to hear you got taken for anything and then to add a dentist bill on top of it all...Let me know if there is a charge to some fancy lawyer on there also, as Bret is suppose to be going to shut me down from telling the truth about him and his so called business...I am still waiting :lol: and yes all you others are on his LAWYERS LIST too hahahahahahahahahaha..
08-15-2007, 07:25 PM
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probably he billed thru a dentist friend because he lost his credit card terminal privileges when i reported him for fraud on my credit card they wouldn't pay him he called and ask me to release the funds and said he couldn't get any of his money out of that account or charge credit cards until the fraud charges where settled. thats the last i heard from him he still didn't get his money from me and i can't contact him anymore so i think at least i'm going to win the fraud case and get my last payment back .if he took money out of your credit card account in the last 110 days you can despute it and they will contact his bank and if your in the right you should be able to get your money back good luck zano
08-16-2007, 05:32 AM
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Dang we're on a Lawyers List too. Thats way worse than a telemarketer!
Here's the whole story..........Bret had to charge our engine cost thru a trans shop because he was "switching" his Credit Card reader service. So we got charged thru the trans shop which was fine. This occured in early July 07'. We also had him provide us with a rebuilt C4 trans that was delivered late July/early August. I would have assumed the charge would have been thru the trans shop since they provided it. So this dentist charge may be for the trans but the C/C company has put a hold on it and is investigating it. "IF" it was a legitimate charge it would have been best if he called and said he was going thru such and such to charge the amount.
It's kind of a shame cause getting a new engine should be an exciting event not a PITA. I was told a 2 week delivery for the engine but it took right at 4 months. I recon I should have pulled the plug earlier!
Thanks for the input guys and i'll keep you posted.
Here's the whole story..........Bret had to charge our engine cost thru a trans shop because he was "switching" his Credit Card reader service. So we got charged thru the trans shop which was fine. This occured in early July 07'. We also had him provide us with a rebuilt C4 trans that was delivered late July/early August. I would have assumed the charge would have been thru the trans shop since they provided it. So this dentist charge may be for the trans but the C/C company has put a hold on it and is investigating it. "IF" it was a legitimate charge it would have been best if he called and said he was going thru such and such to charge the amount.
It's kind of a shame cause getting a new engine should be an exciting event not a PITA. I was told a 2 week delivery for the engine but it took right at 4 months. I recon I should have pulled the plug earlier!
Thanks for the input guys and i'll keep you posted.
08-16-2007, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ubolt
I'll vouch that the line is disconnected. So much for the extra parts i paid for! Fortunately its only a distributor, flexplate and "correct" length push rods.
On a differnet note, the credit card we used to pay for the engine had a mysterious $710 charge to it from a dentist office in Fort Collins. This is odd cause I live in Colorado Springs CO and our dentist is in Monument CO. Wierd. May want to check those c/c statments.
So does anyone know of a qualified builder in Colorado (Colorado Springs or Denver) that would be willing to go thru the engine again?
On a differnet note, the credit card we used to pay for the engine had a mysterious $710 charge to it from a dentist office in Fort Collins. This is odd cause I live in Colorado Springs CO and our dentist is in Monument CO. Wierd. May want to check those c/c statments.
So does anyone know of a qualified builder in Colorado (Colorado Springs or Denver) that would be willing to go thru the engine again?
http://www.usaengines.com/Services.htm
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08-17-2007, 07:37 AM
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Got some great news today. Bret called. He did have to use his buds C/C reader to charge the trans. Whew. As for the shop phones, all the rain we've been experiencing hit him hard too. Flooded his phone box at the shop and he's had the phone company out there the past few days trying to fix it. He's planning to ship me the remainder of my parts which facilitates my mock up into the car, that helps tons. He also stressed he needs to be with there when we start up the car which eases my mind. Thats a good sign that he'll stick behind his work. Thanks for your guys input and hopefully all your issues are sorted out!