Gimmie: this appears to be the first of two threads on the same subject. I tried to clarify his second post a little; but I am confused too.. so don't feel alone. According to the newest "all knowledgeable, knowing all things" (ghustler) we should never invite the accused to explain a second side of a story... because if we just ask ghustler he will carefully explain how we are all wrong & he is always right. I give up.