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I firmly believe he was just trying to B/S Wayne into thinking he had more control than he actually does. Wayne does have a bill of sale!!!!!! That in itself could be legally binding, given that neither can prove for a fact their story. He could probably get a title just with that alone and say firebird said there was no title but he has a bill of sale. I believe he MIGHT have the lein release, but wants others to think the bank still controls it. That is not exactly how big business operates. I am sure they signed over the lein paper and he is just trying to have all believe the story. Fact is, if they signed it over, it is already a matter of record dated the day the loan was paid off. He is a Richard who thiks he is smarter than everyone else. From where I'm sittin, I say he should take the $500 before he can't get that. And Wayne should be a man and pay up. Neither one has posted in good faith to date continuing to stir the sh&%$#@T. They are both the problem.