i understand that to, thats why i asked what the best way to do this, i have very thick skin, and if i cant take a little bit of this then i would of never been able to do what i do, everyone always feels as if somone is trying to musle them out, i am not doing that, if someone is already helping the dragracers out i am fine with that i was just dropping a line, if there are paths i need to go through i will go through them gladly, anouth thing is i dont want to post prices on the board i think that will deff step on toes. so i will be contacting some people about setting up here, and i want to see what i can do, i think i can save some good folks some good money, not a couple of bucks.