Said it before and ill say it again if v-8 diesels are so F-CKING great how many semi trucks run them NONE YES NONE!@!! Your buddy with the Cummins and open trailer joke was pretty funny. My cousin has an 05 8.1 hd i have an 04 Cummins he follows me to the races because i have to let off in the middle of hills to keep from rearending him.Thats no joke and the 8.1 liter will SMOKE a stock durajunkmaxipad. :mrgreen: